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schmevil ([personal profile] schmevil) wrote2009-03-27 08:50 pm

What beer does Captain America drink?

Ok, this is bugging me (she says while drinking a Kilkenny). Any thoughts?

I'm not American and generally don't drink American beer. This isn't a matter of principle, but a sincere effort to protect my taste buds from the utter banality of industrial beer. For the record, I don't drink Canadian industrial beer either. Anyway, this leaves me ill-equipped to figure out Cap's favourite brew. I doubt he's a devoted micro brew drinker, though I could see him choosing to drink local. It seems to fit his essential American guyness that he'd drink American. (Although it should be noted that there isn't much in the way of non-local "American" beer left).

Googling shows that the most popular American beers in America, are Bud Light, Budweiser, Coors, Miller Lite, and Natural Lite. Popular "international" beers include Corona, Heineken, Labatt, Tecate and Guinness. And please, don't suggest PBR - its appeal is entirely based on its marketing as "alternative," and yeah. No.

So what say you flist, will you weigh in on this most important of questions? What beer does Captain America drink? ETA: Let's make this Ult and movie Cap, since I apparently forgot that 616 Cap doesn't drink. It's a sign that I need to reread some Cap. Oh, me.

[identity profile] kijikun.livejournal.com 2009-03-28 01:39 am (UTC)(link)
He doesn't. Steve has mentioned several times over the years that he doesn't drink because of his father.

Ultimate Steve Rogers probably drinks something like Sam Adams.

Budweiser, Coors, and Miller are just the most commercialized beers since they're the cheaper beers. *makes face*

[identity profile] outlawpoet.livejournal.com 2009-03-28 01:48 am (UTC)(link)
Ultimate Steve Rogers drinks Flying Dog. (I wish, anyway)

[identity profile] schmevil.livejournal.com 2009-03-28 01:55 am (UTC)(link)
I remembered the father, but not whether 616 Cap drank. It's funny because I remember so many pub/bar scenes over the years, and somehow failed to notice that he wasn't drinking alcohol. In my defense, it's not an issue that comes up much in Avengers issues. ;)

I wonder if movie!Cap will have the same history.

I need Ultimate Cap and Tony drinking fic. The potential for hilarity is high.

[identity profile] kijikun.livejournal.com 2009-03-28 01:59 am (UTC)(link)
Yeah, he says it directly when he starts dating Dimondback that he doesn't drink because of his father. I think he'll drink sips of stuff for toasts but that's about it.

I wish we knew more about the Cap movie. :/ I hope they follow 616 background. I love artist!Steve.


I need Ultimate Cap and Tony drinking fic. The potential for hilarity is high.

Well what are you waiting for! Go, write! *G*

[identity profile] schmevil.livejournal.com 2009-03-28 02:08 am (UTC)(link)
Oh! I haven't read as much of that run as I'd like. I've actually read more of the really old stuff, than the 80s/90s/early 00s stuff. My Steve has been based on a combination of classic Cap, Brubaker's run, and lots and lots of Avengers runs. I've read the old issue or arc during that period, but.

What an awesome excuse to fill this particular gap in my Cap education! ;)

I desperately don't want Ultimate Cap in the movie. I have a feeling though, that artist!Steve is more likely in the current political and economic climate. America's lost some of its taste for cowboy patriotism. I think it's getting back to a place where more complicated American masculinities are welcome.

Also, artist!Steve would be a nice fit for movie!Tony, who's got a serious flair for design. (Although he doesn't seem to think so... "I don't paint." Facetious, sure, but he identifies more as an engineer, programmer and scientist).

Well what are you waiting for! Go, write! *G*

It would help if I actually read Ultimates. :p

[identity profile] bluefall.livejournal.com 2009-03-28 02:11 am (UTC)(link)
It's a sign that I need to reread some Cap.

Frankly, I think everything is a sign that everyone should reread some Cap. But that may just be me.

[identity profile] schmevil.livejournal.com 2009-03-28 02:14 am (UTC)(link)
TRUFAX. Steve is like Wondy. One of those characters you can't quite believe you'll like, but once you're properly introduced? Damn.

[identity profile] parsimonia.livejournal.com 2009-03-28 03:20 am (UTC)(link)
STEAM WHISTLE! Well, it's got to be one of the most southerly breweries in Canada, at any rate. Right by the lake and everything. (Ever take the tour there? It's fun.)

Does Keith's count as industrial? I find I often go for that if it's on draft, kinda my safe choice, as I know what I'm getting, even if it's not my favourite.

Oh, and I must say, I do like Corona, and its clone (which I haven't seen in a while) Sol. I'm notorious among my friends for trying to do the thing where you put the slice of lime in the bottle and either doing it too quickly or too slowly and causing beer to be sprayed everywhere. *sigh* You can't take me anywhere.

[identity profile] schmevil.livejournal.com 2009-03-28 03:44 am (UTC)(link)
Keith's is, I believe, run by Labatt, but somehow I can forgive them that. It's a terrific standby beer, that also happens to be mild and not watery.

Steam Whistle ftw! But I haven't been to the brewery yet. D: Have you been to the indie thing they sponsor?

I go back and forth on Corona. I used to drink it all the time, way back, because that's what my friends drank, and they were my suppliers. ;) Then I got into ales and stouts for a while. Now I can drink Corona and enjoy it. You know, I want to try more Mexican beers...

[identity profile] parsimonia.livejournal.com 2009-03-28 03:54 am (UTC)(link)
Keith's is, I believe, run by Labatt, but somehow I can forgive them that.

Is it cuz the commercials often feature and angry Scottish guy yelling at the viewer? (However annoying that may be.)

Corona was my gateway beer, but I still enjoy it. Before that, I was all about the vodka coolers. Smirnoff Ice and such. Wouldn't touch anything else for a while.

Have you been to the indie thing they sponsor?

What indie thing? (I'm almost always out of touch with cool events in the city, sadly.)

[identity profile] schmevil.livejournal.com 2009-03-28 04:22 am (UTC)(link)
Oh god, Smirnoff. I remember those days. Girly drinks are the worst, especially the ones you mix yourself. That way lies danger. (No, I did not drink the better part of a bottle of peach schnapps and almost fall off a roof. That never happened).

They sponsor an indie club. I think it's above the Yonge/Dundas Hard Rock. I keep meaning to go, but never get around to it. Still, they've helped a lot of local bands get radio play.

[identity profile] parsimonia.livejournal.com 2009-03-28 04:46 am (UTC)(link)
I was going to return with an "oh yeah? well one time I..." and then I remembered that I might've been sober at the time. =( Ah, I really don't miss being stupid and 18.

Huh, definitely never heard of that place before, but sounds like something I'd like. This summer I hope to not be as hermit-like as I have been lately, and catch some more live music.

It's not a live music place, but ever been to the Annex Wreck Room? They play an awesome mix of mainstream and indie stuff, and have old, wacky, and often foreign, children's shows projected onto a big screen. Only been there once, but IIRC the drinks were like three bucks before midnight.
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Ultimate Steve Rogers

[identity profile] jazzypom.livejournal.com 2009-03-28 08:44 am (UTC)(link)
Drinks wine, oh wait... in the novels he drinks ginger ale.

616 Steve Roger doesn't drink, bad triggers since his dad was an alcoholic.
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Ultimates is good

[identity profile] jazzypom.livejournal.com 2009-03-28 08:50 am (UTC)(link)
I wrote Ultimates Steve and Tony drinking, but the drinking was tied into a prompt.

Here's the link if you're interested.

Dutch Courage (http://community.livejournal.com/cap_ironman/289855.html).

Actually, I prefer writing Ultimates fic than 616 fic, because the characterisations are less nuanced than 616 fic. With 616 fic, I have to focus on a particular writer or story arc for my 'take' on the characters to work. I'm admittedly intimidated by 40 years of Steve Rogers in all his permutations.

[identity profile] stubbleupdate.livejournal.com 2009-03-28 09:39 am (UTC)(link)
Don't forget that the ever lovin' blue eyed Thing drinks PBR.

Re: Ultimates is good

[identity profile] schmevil.livejournal.com 2009-03-28 05:22 pm (UTC)(link)
See, I don't fan by obsessing over the little details. I know there are fans who consider it important to know what Data said at 3:42 of episode 5.8, but I'm not one of them. I'm kind of... flexible in my relationship with canon, especially comics. With all the retcons and unintentionally contradictory continuity, I can't get too het up about it. Everything you think is essential to a character is unimportant in someone else's interpretation. Hell, look at Bendis' reinterpretations of the characters!

But yeah, I can see how Ult could be freeing - there's less of a mess to contend with.

I'm bookmarking this fic for later reading. :)

[identity profile] schmevil.livejournal.com 2009-03-28 05:23 pm (UTC)(link)
Ben drinks PBR? That just feels wrong. Wanna hipsters drink PBR.

Re: Ultimate Steve Rogers

[identity profile] schmevil.livejournal.com 2009-03-28 05:24 pm (UTC)(link)
Ginger ale, huh? I'll have to remember that.

[identity profile] schmevil.livejournal.com 2009-03-28 05:26 pm (UTC)(link)
I... might have been to the Annex Wreck Roomm? Not sure. It sounds familiar, but I get dragged to a lot of random places, without paying attention to the where.

I love live music. LOVE. But I tend to obsess, and when I'm in a class that's actually interesting, well, everything else tends to fall by the wayside. That's happened a lot in the last two years. D:

and then I remembered that I might've been sober at the time.

*g*
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I hear you

[identity profile] jazzypom.livejournal.com 2009-03-28 05:38 pm (UTC)(link)
The thing is, 616 Steve Rogers (for me) is an easy character to write wrong, so I try and avoid writing 616 verse unless I'm cornered. But yeah, in the Ultimates novels Steve seems to think himself a sentinel of duty, so he drinks ginger ale or juice when he's around Nick Fury, his superior.

In the comics, when he and Thor were having dinner at Tony's, he had a glass of wine.

Re: I hear you

[identity profile] schmevil.livejournal.com 2009-03-28 06:00 pm (UTC)(link)
That's why I like fics with a narrow focus. You can narrow your attention to a particular side of the character and avoid flubbing the rest. They also help me get to know a character, and build confidence for writing something bigger. I'm about to attempt something A LOT bigger with Steve's character and that's freaking me out a bit. I'm writing a post Execute Program story that's very much about ethics and humanity and friendship and... yeah. Steve's not the only pov character, but I have to make sure I'm really clear on his attitudes towards duty, power, personal responsibility and humanity.

(One issue: Yes he's an amazingly open and understanding guy, who's shown no kind of prejudice to other forms of life, but how would he feel about a friend turning himself into something inhuman? Like, if he thought that rather than enhancing himself, Tony was killing his soul.

Another issue: What if Tony was, in his view, deliberately turning himself into a massive threat to governments all over the world, and in particular the USA.)

So yeah.
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That's so interesting!

[identity profile] jazzypom.livejournal.com 2009-03-28 06:06 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm writing a post Execute Program story that's very much about ethics and humanity and friendship and... yeah. Steve's not the only pov character, but I have to make sure I'm really clear on his attitudes towards duty, power, personal responsibility and humanity.

I wanted to write a story re: post execute programme, but it was more Tony well... not necessarily losing his humanity, just becoming distant from it, and how it was a gateway to Civil War and blah blah blah cakes... but then I remember how deathly I'm afraid of 616 fic, and have only written three or four - compared to say, more Ultimates fic. So.... I'm in the sidelines waving the sign of "Just do it!"

Another issue: What if Tony was, in his view, deliberately turning himself into a massive threat to governments all over the world, and in particular the USA.)

Interesting, I'm really glad that you're one to write it, while I'll just be reading! I'm just staying in the shallow end of the fanfic pool right now, really.

[identity profile] stubbleupdate.livejournal.com 2009-03-28 08:17 pm (UTC)(link)
It's announced in Fallen Son, when they're reminiscing about Poker games, I think.

[identity profile] dirty-diana.livejournal.com 2009-03-29 04:55 am (UTC)(link)
...I actually think that Brubaker's Steve does drink. But can't get drunk. Because of the super solider thing. So if it's more of a, don't let the other person drink alone thing, he's probably not so picky.

[identity profile] stubbleupdate.livejournal.com 2009-03-29 04:01 pm (UTC)(link)
And don't forget that Ben is nouveau riche.

[identity profile] zarazuluzam.livejournal.com 2009-04-17 02:05 am (UTC)(link)
He doesn't.

Actually he does. He's been shown to drink alcohol as recently as the Brubaker run and as far back as the early 100s issues of his solo title. Deep drinking of wine from a chalice, even.

So the unilaterial statement of "Steve doesn't drink" is false, and predicated upon the very ridiculous and unnecessary retcon to make Steve's father alcoholic.

"Steve has mentioned several times over the years that he doesn't drink because of his father." is is exaggerated, as there was no mention of Joe Rogers being an alcoholic until it served the plot quite belatedly into Captain America's history as a character.

Steve's also been shown several times over the years to be drinking in the 616 universe. He's far from an alcoholic, but the fact that he engages in casual social drinking IS canon, and every bit as much canon as that stupid "my father was an alcoholic" retcon of stupidity.

Sometimes, I honestly think the only canon that Steve/Tony fans read with regards to Captain America is The Confession and whatever makes its way into Iron Man crossovers.

[identity profile] schmevil.livejournal.com 2009-04-17 02:13 am (UTC)(link)
Sometimes, I honestly think the only canon that Steve/Tony fans read with regards to Captain America is The Confession and whatever makes its way into Iron Man crossovers.

Don't bring this into my journal.

[identity profile] kijikun.livejournal.com 2009-04-17 02:30 am (UTC)(link)
The point would be that they are both canon. I'd be happy to tell you arc and issues for which I based what I told her if you would like to discuss this in a civil manner someplace outside schmevil's journal.

[identity profile] elspethdixon.livejournal.com 2009-04-17 03:47 am (UTC)(link)
The "Joe Rogers was an alcoholic" bit of backstory shows up as early as 1983 so I'm not sure if really counts as a retcon at this point, or if it is, then it's an over twenty-years-old one by now - and they definately showed him drinking in canon after that point. Steve has been shown to drink socially on occasion in volume 1 and volume 3 (and Avengers) canon (and Golden Age stuff, too), including champagne at the funeral toast the Avengers have for Scott Lang, Clint & Vision after Disassembled, and beer with Nick Fury.

I'd say he probably drinks whatever other people are drinking, to be sociable, but Steve seems like the kind of guy who would like supporting local breweries over big corporations. I'd go for something like Heineken if you were going name brand, because Lite beers and Budweiser in general really aren't very good beers. And Steve's been in Europe, where he would have experienced beer that didn't have American beer's noticeably lower alcohol content (which wouldn't make much a difference to him, since the super solider serum dramatically increases his resistance, but does affect the taste).

[identity profile] roachpatrol.livejournal.com 2009-04-17 08:19 am (UTC)(link)
I can't wrap my head around Cap drinking Pabst. It's so... trashy. If Cap drinks beer, he drinks decent beer.

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