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schmevil ([personal profile] schmevil) wrote2012-01-03 08:55 pm

and lo, there was scans daily wank once again

*I usually flock SD posts these days because BLAHGNONONO, but this one is open.

Fandom Secrets post and the inevitable FFA thread.

In all seriousness, I do think there are things the comm could be doing better. That's always been the case, and it always will be. The major challenge with respect to modding Scans Daily is balance, and that balance was/is really hard to find.

The current rules structure was designed to balance free-ish speech with a) respect for copyright, and 2) an anti-oppression ethos. Comics fandom can be pretty terrible, and even SD had it's moments. Our goal was to make it a bit safer for existing members. (We never intended, in designing the rules, to make the comm a safe space). They came out of about year of refinement, after experience proved that previous models didn't work. When our guiding principle was the golden rule, some members found it impossible to call out bullshit unless they were exceedingly polite. We also had issues with members abusing the rules structure to troll very, very politely. After a particularly bad blowup, we decided to make 'calling out' protected by the rules. This was and continues to be controversial. One of the difficulties this presented to the mod team was whether we should lead or follow. Letting the comm self-mod anti-oppression discussions sometimes left members feeling unsupported. Jumping in from the get go sometimes had members feeling oppressed by the mods. There were no easy answers, and during the adjustment period, the mod team had to be really, really active.

I'm not a mod at SD anymore. So far as I know, a rules change isn't on the horizon. I'm not convinced a rules change is necessary (although rules streamlining, there's room for that, now that things are so firmly established). 'Calling out' is not a problem, it's an opportunity. It's a tool that any member can use to defend themselves or others. We can--and definitely should!--have a conversation about people who abuse that tool to bully. That's an essential part of working on the culture within the community, and the relationship between the mods and members. But honesty requires that we still keep the tone argument in mind, even now that it's a much abused buzzword. Sometimes people use social justice as a mask for their bullying. Other people do the same thing with free speech. That lots of people know about the tone argument, doesn't mean that they're not still pulling that shit.

On a different note, many of the once frequent posters and commenters are in my circle. Lots of us are just tired, or have moved on to other fandoms. There are also plenty of people who left the community after deciding it was no longer for them. Some of them are incredibly bitter over having 'lost' a community they loved. Some of them, like me, are just not in a comics comm headspace anymore. The slowdown on SD is more complicated than 'because mods', although no doubt, that's one of the reasons. The same fandom migration that's slowed down so many flists, hit SD damn hard. And Tumblr, bless, lets you have exactly the comics fandom experience you want. All Damien Wayne, all day? Go for it. No need to scroll past some joker's Sailor Moon posts (or whatever).

Anyway, I'm running out of steam here, and I've got a to do list a mile long. So yeah, my Scans Daily tl;dr of the month, I guess.
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[personal profile] dirty_diana 2012-01-04 04:06 am (UTC)(link)
Yeah. There were major learning curves and oh dear moments, but a lot of the whining has always seemed to be from folks whose privilege couldn't handle the idea that their every single thought might not be pure gold that they were entitled by birth to share with everyone everywhere.

(I was thinking about it recently, reading this at Tiger Beatdown.)
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I agree

[personal profile] jazzypom 2012-01-04 09:01 am (UTC)(link)
And Tumblr, bless, lets you have exactly the comics fandom experience you want. All Damien Wayne, all day? Go for it. No need to scroll past some joker's Sailor Moon posts (or whatever).

I've definitely seen a lot of that. Tumblr and various fan spaces do that now, and I think with the comic book movies being what they are (an easily accessible fan thing)you don't really need the comics any more to 'get it' (from what I've seen with Marvel movie fic, anyway. There were a fair bit of writers who got into Marvel fandom via movie fic, and didn't feel the need to get into the comics, they just lurk, waiting for a new movie experience, and that isn't bad.

Lots of us are just tired, or have moved on to other fandoms... Some of them, like me, are just not in a comics comm headspace anymore

That as well. I know that with me, after the whole being threatened with a c*nt punting, I pretty much took several steps back, because once it gets to physical threats (I really wish I'd screencapped the anon meme before it got deleted) just to prove that it happened. Comic comms (this was an anon comic comm an offshoot of FFA) lost their lustre for me, then. I will welcome critique, but not violence, you know?

Yeah with the fatigue as well, there's only so much you can argue and go, "That's nice...But." I do think that there's been gains in speaking out about stuff, because if X-men: First Class had been made up to five years ago, no one would have been sensitive to the movie's failings as they were when the reviews came out - so there is that. Things do percolate, it just take time. But there's a big ol' life outside the internet, too, and that's caught up with me as well.

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[personal profile] gloss 2012-01-04 01:50 pm (UTC)(link)
That F!S thread made me wince *so hard* -- particularly the bit about S_D being responsible for Dreamwidth's reputation as a social justice haven (not to mention the concern trolling about how policing misogyny equals sexism or whatever the hell that was).

I'm afraid I don't have much to contribute, but this is a good post and I wanted you to know that.