The only problem with Tony as antagonist is that it sure puts his fans in a rough spot within the comics and fannish community.
I hear you. Usually I'm good about going along, appreciating my favourite characters and not caring what other people think, but when the bashing gets really intense, it can be hard. I think it's one part over-identification ('not my guy!') and one part discomfort with other fans' over-identification ('it's only a comic book!'). I mean, there are times when the bashing makes me intensely uncomfortable - like I don't want to be around these crazy, crazy people.
With Tony I find it doubly ridiculous, since a lot of the hate is based on fictional politics. Especially when these people don't get as hot over real world political issues.
I want more people to like him, but I don't want his character changed into the type of character that would make more people like him!
I completely agree.
I wonder if Tony will be an antagonist with respect to Steve when Steve comes back? That would hurt. I like them as friends.
I wouldn't mind it in the short term, but if it became the new status quo, I think it would make me very unhappy, very quickly, and not even from a shipping perspective. I don't want Tony to be an out and out bad guy. Being Captain America's antagonist long term would more than likely turn him into Doom-lite, because even if Brubaker was still on CA, and the Knaufs on DoS, the character still exist in other books. I mean, look at what Slott and JMS did to Tony's characterization in Civil War - an astonishing amount of hate comes from stories written by those two.
I am sad that Tony continues to fail to be hot, though. I normally find him very attractive, but in this art he's just normal.
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I hear you. Usually I'm good about going along, appreciating my favourite characters and not caring what other people think, but when the bashing gets really intense, it can be hard. I think it's one part over-identification ('not my guy!') and one part discomfort with other fans' over-identification ('it's only a comic book!'). I mean, there are times when the bashing makes me intensely uncomfortable - like I don't want to be around these crazy, crazy people.
With Tony I find it doubly ridiculous, since a lot of the hate is based on fictional politics. Especially when these people don't get as hot over real world political issues.
I want more people to like him, but I don't want his character changed into the type of character that would make more people like him!
I completely agree.
I wonder if Tony will be an antagonist with respect to Steve when Steve comes back? That would hurt. I like them as friends.
I wouldn't mind it in the short term, but if it became the new status quo, I think it would make me very unhappy, very quickly, and not even from a shipping perspective. I don't want Tony to be an out and out bad guy. Being Captain America's antagonist long term would more than likely turn him into Doom-lite, because even if Brubaker was still on CA, and the Knaufs on DoS, the character still exist in other books. I mean, look at what Slott and JMS did to Tony's characterization in Civil War - an astonishing amount of hate comes from stories written by those two.
I am sad that Tony continues to fail to be hot, though. I normally find him very attractive, but in this art he's just normal.
Tragedy! ;)