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schmevil ([personal profile] schmevil) wrote2008-11-10 06:58 pm

Fellow Preacher readers!

Sam Mendes is developing a Preacher film. Oh hell yes. For those out of the know, Mendes directed American Beauty, Jarhead and Road to Perdition. I don't think he'll have any trouble getting Preacher, though I suspect that all the sex, profanity and bodily fluids will be somewhat reduced. *g* I really have no problem with that - there's enough in the series that it can stand without the gross-out humor and swearing. There will be purists insisting that it's integral to the sensibility of the work, but honestly? Imho you could tone that stuff down about a thousand degrees before you made a significant impact on Ennis' artistic intent.

Mendes had this to say about the project, which is in the very earliest stages:

Nevertheless, Mendes did go into some detail about his attraction to the project, which in pure thumbnail terms, is about a rebellious preacher called Jesse Custer and his quest to find God and make him accountable for crimes against humanity.

“It's brilliant, it's an incredible twisted vision,” he said of the 66-issue story. “There's so much of it you couldn't possibly fit it all into one movie. It's just about what you keep and what you leave out, and how you structure the story. But just to have that toy set again, being able to paint on a big canvas and to say ‘I am gonna do crazy crane shots and massive action sequences again because I want to,’ it's exciting..”

Understandably, given the fledgling status of the project, Mendes isn’t too keen to talk about specifics, but we did ask him about one casting issue – namely, the frequent appearances of John Wayne, whose ghost acts as a counsel to Jesse throughout.

“That's an interesting one, I wonder what the John Wayne estate's gonna say about that,” teased Mendes. “We'll see, we’ll have to get them on side…”

Chris Hewett, Empire. Nov 7, 2008

Empire also has a primer. It's complete trash.

Why Should You Care?

If Watchmen is the Citizen Kane of graphic novels, then Preacher is the works of Sergio Leone and John Ford all rolled into one. It is epic in scope, a sprawling story covering the entire United States, and plays out like a classic Western. Ennis' themes are interwoven with the lifeblood of Americana, at once a poetic love song to the vast landscape of the great nation while also damning of everything she has let herself become. Preacher trudges through the debauched underbelly of civilization, as Ennis probes the motivations and dichotomies of the human psyche, the place of religion in the modern world and its effect on the subconscious of society, the power of love against all things, and ultimately, the death of the American Dream. Deep stuff, indeed.


Yeah, way to overstate. I'm rolling my eyes at you, Empire.

[identity profile] dlasta.livejournal.com 2008-11-11 01:20 am (UTC)(link)
Ok, Sam Mendes is not bad at all. And I can life with a little less nudity, cursing and gross stuff. Just one movie, tho? Srsly?

...what if they fuck up the casting? I remember there being talk about Ben Affleck and Cameron Diaz or something years ago. What if they hire 'stars'?!

Empire, whoa, nice way of not getting the point.:d

[identity profile] schmevil.livejournal.com 2008-11-11 01:46 am (UTC)(link)
Someone was suggesting a mini series. I could learn to love that idea.

What if they hire 'stars'?!

Then we will cry bitter fangirl tears.

[identity profile] dlasta.livejournal.com 2008-11-11 02:01 am (UTC)(link)
I think I'd rather have a miniseries than a movie. Some of the best of Preacher is those little things that would never make it into a movie.
(The Cassidy meets a vampire bit alone...priceless.)

Great, I'm already terrified about who they're gonna cast in Thor and Captain America, now I have to fear for Preacher too?? Totally unfair.

[identity profile] schmevil.livejournal.com 2008-11-11 02:10 am (UTC)(link)
I'm almost completely convinced that those movies are going to suck. The suggestion that Kenneth Branagh might direct Thor was gave me the tiniest bit of hope. I have serious reservations about Thor, though. If they take from the current storyline, wherein a Viking God sets up shop on top of Middle America, and basically plays lord of the manor? There is nothing that could redeem it for me. Also, please no hints of that story where he inspired a cult. Basically, I think Thor is dicey for reasons beyond the near-impossible casting. (That guy from 13th Warrior would work, if we could de-age him. Rawr).

Captain America... I honestly have no idea who they could cast. And it's another one with loads of potential for screwups. I'd definitely prefer it to at least start during WW2.

[identity profile] dlasta.livejournal.com 2008-11-11 02:23 am (UTC)(link)
They're more likely to suck than be good-ish. Marvel is not doing so well. Unfortunately I'm such a sap of a fangirl that I will *believe* until I have to face the epic crap in person. And then I will cry like a little bitch and whine ad nauseum to all my friends who will not get it. (s. Constantine.)

(The new Thor is good. Ish. The start was good but it's slowing down for no good reason.)

Anyhoo, I think there is potential for something interesting but only if they fix the story. Marvel!Thor is not the best example of good story telling.
Casting wise, somebody less known, more actor less star...Alex Sarsgård could do it. I just doubt he would be interested.

How can you start Captain America if not from the beginning?
I'm strangely rigid in casting CA. I got Matt Damon in my head and I can't get rid of the idea. Maybe because Damon and RDjr are friends. And the man can both act and do action. Something.

[identity profile] schmevil.livejournal.com 2008-11-11 04:30 am (UTC)(link)
I had a fear that they'd go the Ultimate route with Cap, or say, 'update' him by skipping over his origin. I don't know, America has a really weird relationship with it's mythos. Sometimes you get Saving Private Ryan. Other times you get Rambo (total betrayal of the book). And I'm not gonna lie, I really want Cap punching some Nazi face. Not Hitler, because I can't make that work, mentally. But you know, maybe a Luftwaffe officer or two. An SS agent.

As an aside, imagine how awesome Will Smith!Cap punching Nazis would be? Not that I want him as Cap. I don't think he's quite right, as much as I adore him.

I agree with you re Marvel movies. The Hulk, with all its flaws still managed to be better than the Incredible Hulk, imho. I still can't justify the existence of Daredevil and Elektra. WTF?! I desperately do. not. want. an Avengers film, if only because I can see the trainwreck from here, and it's not even in production yet.

The new Thor is good. Ish. The start was good but it's slowing down for no good reason.

Huh, really? I was sort of considering giving it a second chance. Not actually pay for it, mind you, but leaf through it while in the store. I hear good things about female!Loki?

I haven't seen enough of Sarsgard's acting to convince me, but he has the look down. He needs a better wig, though. Poor Eric. *g*

[identity profile] dlasta.livejournal.com 2008-11-11 12:15 pm (UTC)(link)
I had a fear that they'd go the Ultimate route with Cap, or say, 'update' him by skipping over his origin.

Well, they're going to have to update him at least a little. I'm hoping for a happy medium between old and new.:D Shut up, I said 'hoping'!

I saw 'I'm A legend' and now can't watch anything with Will Smith in it. I'm sure I'll have recovered by 2010.

Avengers the film is pretty much a doomed project. They're going to put a shitload of money in it and then forget to make a decent script. I'd like to stay positive but it's just too many little things that could go horribly wrong. (Like, LOTR without Peter Jackson or Transformers without that funny stuff.)

Thor: it could be just that we have slightly different taste? (Tho, I do like the female Loki.:)

Sarsgård was all sorts of impressive in Generation Kill.:)
Eric could use a new wig...maybe they're waiting till his own hair grows?

[identity profile] tammylee.livejournal.com 2008-11-11 02:40 am (UTC)(link)
Mixed feelings about this! I enjoyed the comics well enough but I don't think I could stomach a lot of it on film. I'm okay with violence in comics but I can't see it RL, as it were.

[identity profile] schmevil.livejournal.com 2008-11-11 04:20 am (UTC)(link)
*nod* I really do think that they'll need to tone down some of the more extreme violence and grossout moments. It's just not especially marketable to a wider audience, as is. And I'm not sad about that at all.
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[identity profile] deralte.livejournal.com 2008-11-11 04:17 am (UTC)(link)
I really have no idea what they're going to fit into a single film with Preacher. They'd be better off with a tv show methinks. Then they could give proper study to some of the better stories, like Cassidy's amusing adventure in New Orleans with the other vampire, and Jesse's reunion with his mother. And spend less time on the Saint of Killers, who frankly, bored me to tears. One good thing about it going to screen is that they'll tone down some of Ennis' usual excesses.

Empire seems to have been smoking something while they wrote that. *raises eyebrow*

[identity profile] schmevil.livejournal.com 2008-11-11 04:34 am (UTC)(link)
I've seen a mini series floated as an alternative to a film. I could dig a mini. If they tried an ongoing it would almost certainly have to be on HBO.

I liked Saint of Killers! At least in the Ancient History trade. Why don't you like evil!John Wayne? (Although I tend to think of him as Clint). ;)

One good thing about it going to screen is that they'll tone down some of Ennis' usual excesses.

YES. I know there are people who read his work for those excesses, but I'm not one of them. There were times when liking Preacher took effort.
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[identity profile] deralte.livejournal.com 2008-11-11 04:48 am (UTC)(link)
Yeah. I was impressed that HBO took on True Blood to be honest. They could totally do Preacher, but according to wikipedia HBO turned it down for being too religiously controversial. *shrugs* Maybe Showtime could do it? They are producing Dexter...

I just find him kinda dull. He's a walking cliche, and suffering through his backstory was something I saw as a price you paid for reading the rest of Preacher. I felt a lot like I was reading my twentieth Zane Grey novel at that point, which is not a good thing.

There were times when liking Preacher took effort.

I think he went too far with Herr Starr. You should never hurt your villain so much that your readers feel sorry for them.

Lots of other things were just gratuitous, but I freely acknowledge I don't find Ennis funny the way others do. I know people who would be laughing at scenes I read through and don't even change expression.

[identity profile] schmevil.livejournal.com 2008-11-11 05:00 am (UTC)(link)
Are you watching True Blood? I haven't read the books yet, but I've somehow got sucked into following the show religiously. TB has the advantage of being a vampire show. They get to play the 'it's just fantasy' card if they like, or claim that critics are misinterpreting the show's metaphors, if they don't want a fight. Preacher, for all its fantastic elements, is a western/crime story first, I think. That makes it... a little closer to people, and easier to take seriously. So there's that.

Showtime is a possibility, though their shows tend to have a lower production budget.

I just find him kinda dull. He's a walking cliche

That's fair. I can actually sit through spaghetti Western marathons, so I'm not a good judge for these things. *g*

I actually agree with you about Herr Starr. Did you find the Arseface stuff funny? I found a lot of it tiresome and I kept getting the feeling that Ennis was reading over my shoulder, waiting for me to be delighted.
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[identity profile] deralte.livejournal.com 2008-11-11 05:15 am (UTC)(link)
True Blood has been a lot of fun, though I'm getting behind in my watching (I'm in the middle of episode 5 atm). I'm not one to usually read romance/girly novels like that, but the whole premise behind the True Blood universe is fascinating. I love the idea of introducing vampires to the world and then showing exactly how the world would realistically react. The books are typical supernatural dating cliches, but at least they're written with a lot of freshness and are fun. I do recommend them. (Have you read the free True Blood comic book on their website btw?)

I went through a Western phase when I was younger and read all the classics, mostly focusing on Zane Grey's novels, and then around book fifteen, I realized they were all the same and that I was sick of westerns. I can still watch them and read them (mostly in comic book format, it seems) but I don't tolerate them unless they have something unique going for them.

No, I didn't find Arseface funny at all. Tiresome? Yes. Tragic? Yes. Pitiful? Yes. I think the only thing that redeemed his story line was that he got a happy ending. I too got the feeling that I was supposed to find him funny - Jesse certainly spent a lot of time laughing at the kid - but it just didn't do anything for me. Like were we supposed to laugh every time someone threw up when they saw his face? I don't know.

[identity profile] schmevil.livejournal.com 2008-11-19 05:52 pm (UTC)(link)
That's my favourite part of True Blood as well - the social impact of introducing vampires, and vampire blood. I'd even like to see more, maybe next seasons, from the Vampire Rights Movement. See exactly what they're fighting for, and how we might accommodate them.

I've got the books, thanks to [livejournal.com profile] dlasta (though I haven't read them yet), and have read the comic. I now want more True Blood comics. ;)

I can still watch them and read them (mostly in comic book format, it seems) but I don't tolerate them unless they have something unique going for them.

I have the same problem with most genre fiction, unless I'm really in the mood. Most westerns (and sf stories) are pretty bland, paint by numbers outings. I can still enjoy them, for the sake of conventions I like, if I don't watch them all the time. But yeah, something extra goes a long way.

No, I didn't find Arseface funny at all. Tiresome? Yes. Tragic? Yes. Pitiful? Yes.

I'm hoping he doesn't appear in the movie/show/mini-series at all, unless his whole story is included. A Preacher production that included Arseface for the lols, is not one I'd be interested in.