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The boob window/why Ms. Marvel?
I need to reorganize my comics. They're in stacks all over my room, and taking up two shelves that I need for my three-layers-deep-books. Probably it's time to consign some of them to the longbox, but then the question becomes: where the eff does the longbox go? Crisis.
Usually I've got the latest issue of Comic Store News on top of one of the stacks. I like combing through it for weird new releases that don't get press OL. This one had a huge promo for the new Power Girl ongoing. (Which I will most definitely be picking up on Wednesday, along with whatever FCBD books my comics guy decided to pull for me. ILU D!) My brother saw the promo, and... hell.
He's a gamer, an aficionado of horror and action movies, cartoons and humour of questionable taste. He took one look at that promo and went "Oh fanboys." Not in so many words. No, his actual words were, "What the fuck?" Followed by approximately two minutes of derisive laughter. So I then had the unenviable task of explaining the boob window. I relayed the every-issue-they-got-a-little-bigger story, and the one about the window being a space that needed to be filled by a symbol. Of course, Karen never found that symbol and the boob window, the space in need of filling, remains. I told him about the endless fannish merry go round of boob window controversies.
And then I realized something. Somewhere along the way I stopped seeing the boob window. Of course I was literally seeing the boob window, and acknowledging it as cheescake. But I'd stopped seeing how it would look to people outside of comics fandom. I'd stopped thinking about it.
"And they... just kept it like that?" he finally asked.
"WOW: Night Elves," I said in response.
We have this thing, where we relay stories about our respective fandoms: what ridiculous new games/comics/SF shows are coming out; what fresh embarrassment our fellow fans have served up. And of course, it's not just fanboys, but fangirls, creators, publishers and network hacks. The boys bring the misogyny more reliably, but the girls are just as capable. What we kept coming back to is this: how goddamn embarrassing will it be to buy this book outside of the dm? At say, a convenience store, or a chain bookstore. As embarrassing, surely, as it was to buy those Greg Horn issues of Ms. Marvel, when I was between comic stores. As embarrassing as the Benes issues of Birds of Prey.
And yet, I like Peeg the way she is. The boob window is her most recognizable look. I'm not sure that I'd be comfortable with a redesign that wasn't completely spectacular. These days we get boob window and an impressive musculature; cheescake and epic asskicking. And yet. Empowered, which makes no bones about its chesscakeness, is actually less embarrassing to me.
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jazzypom asked me to talk about Carol Danvers a while back. Consider this a preview of a longer post, scheduled sometime post term.
Carol Danvers is a soldier, turned storyteller, turned superhero. When her father decided that it was more important for his sons to attend college than his daughter, she joined the USAF and put herself through school that way. She worked her tail off, becoming one of their best, and when injuries incurred in the field grounded her, she moved into intelligence, and later security. When she hit too many roadblocks in the way of further career advancement (lol girls), she left, and wrote a couple of books about her experiences. She started another book about a (female) astronaut friend, and did freelance work that she later parlayed into an editorship at JJJ's Woman Magazine. When JJ wanted recipes and reviews of the latest beauty products, she pushed for real social and political content. She finally left, to pursue superheroing full time, which she did by herself, and on her own terms.
Then it starts to get disturbing. She joins the Avengers and things seem to be going well. She's contributing to the team and building relationships with other characters. Until suddenly, we get the infamous Rape of Ms. Marvel. Incredibly, she actually managed to come back from this. Only, whoops! She gets attacked by Rogue, losing her powers, memories and emotional life. Again, amazingly, she comes back. This time as a peak human fighter, adventuring with her new friends, the X-Men. You know what comes next, right? She's held by the Brood, who decide to perform invasive experiments on her intriguing half human, half Kree physiology. In the process, they manage to reactivate her powers, and take them to their fullest potential. She becomes Binary: a cosmic hero who draws her power from a star, and the evolutionary endgame of humans and Kree.
Of course, by now we know that it can't stay this way, right? Her connection to the star is broken, of course. Her power levels are drastically diminished, of course. She comes back to earth and falls into drinking, of course. After she finally crawls her way out of the bottle, she gets to spend the next eight years of comics trying to get back to where she first started out.
Distilled to its barest bones like this, her history reads as convoluted and bizarre. It is undeniably both of things. But through it all there's one thing that remains constant: Carol is a fighter. No matter how many times you knock her down, no matter what strange new sexualized violence she's subjected to, no matter how her life gets wrecked, she picks herself back up, spits in the face of those who wronged her, and finds a new way to live. On her own terms.
As it stands, she's a powerhouse with the innate potential to be even more powerful. She's an experienced fighter, with or without powers, and a skilled tactician who's absolutely willing to fight dirty. She is by turns bitter and hopeful, and above all, driven. She's not a peacemaker, a detective, or a reluctant hero. She's a missile in human form, and she will fuck you up.
Usually I've got the latest issue of Comic Store News on top of one of the stacks. I like combing through it for weird new releases that don't get press OL. This one had a huge promo for the new Power Girl ongoing. (Which I will most definitely be picking up on Wednesday, along with whatever FCBD books my comics guy decided to pull for me. ILU D!) My brother saw the promo, and... hell.
He's a gamer, an aficionado of horror and action movies, cartoons and humour of questionable taste. He took one look at that promo and went "Oh fanboys." Not in so many words. No, his actual words were, "What the fuck?" Followed by approximately two minutes of derisive laughter. So I then had the unenviable task of explaining the boob window. I relayed the every-issue-they-got-a-little-bigger story, and the one about the window being a space that needed to be filled by a symbol. Of course, Karen never found that symbol and the boob window, the space in need of filling, remains. I told him about the endless fannish merry go round of boob window controversies.
And then I realized something. Somewhere along the way I stopped seeing the boob window. Of course I was literally seeing the boob window, and acknowledging it as cheescake. But I'd stopped seeing how it would look to people outside of comics fandom. I'd stopped thinking about it.
"And they... just kept it like that?" he finally asked.
"WOW: Night Elves," I said in response.
We have this thing, where we relay stories about our respective fandoms: what ridiculous new games/comics/SF shows are coming out; what fresh embarrassment our fellow fans have served up. And of course, it's not just fanboys, but fangirls, creators, publishers and network hacks. The boys bring the misogyny more reliably, but the girls are just as capable. What we kept coming back to is this: how goddamn embarrassing will it be to buy this book outside of the dm? At say, a convenience store, or a chain bookstore. As embarrassing, surely, as it was to buy those Greg Horn issues of Ms. Marvel, when I was between comic stores. As embarrassing as the Benes issues of Birds of Prey.
And yet, I like Peeg the way she is. The boob window is her most recognizable look. I'm not sure that I'd be comfortable with a redesign that wasn't completely spectacular. These days we get boob window and an impressive musculature; cheescake and epic asskicking. And yet. Empowered, which makes no bones about its chesscakeness, is actually less embarrassing to me.
***
On an unrelated note,
jazzypom asked me to talk about Carol Danvers a while back. Consider this a preview of a longer post, scheduled sometime post term.Carol Danvers is a soldier, turned storyteller, turned superhero. When her father decided that it was more important for his sons to attend college than his daughter, she joined the USAF and put herself through school that way. She worked her tail off, becoming one of their best, and when injuries incurred in the field grounded her, she moved into intelligence, and later security. When she hit too many roadblocks in the way of further career advancement (lol girls), she left, and wrote a couple of books about her experiences. She started another book about a (female) astronaut friend, and did freelance work that she later parlayed into an editorship at JJJ's Woman Magazine. When JJ wanted recipes and reviews of the latest beauty products, she pushed for real social and political content. She finally left, to pursue superheroing full time, which she did by herself, and on her own terms.
Then it starts to get disturbing. She joins the Avengers and things seem to be going well. She's contributing to the team and building relationships with other characters. Until suddenly, we get the infamous Rape of Ms. Marvel. Incredibly, she actually managed to come back from this. Only, whoops! She gets attacked by Rogue, losing her powers, memories and emotional life. Again, amazingly, she comes back. This time as a peak human fighter, adventuring with her new friends, the X-Men. You know what comes next, right? She's held by the Brood, who decide to perform invasive experiments on her intriguing half human, half Kree physiology. In the process, they manage to reactivate her powers, and take them to their fullest potential. She becomes Binary: a cosmic hero who draws her power from a star, and the evolutionary endgame of humans and Kree.
Of course, by now we know that it can't stay this way, right? Her connection to the star is broken, of course. Her power levels are drastically diminished, of course. She comes back to earth and falls into drinking, of course. After she finally crawls her way out of the bottle, she gets to spend the next eight years of comics trying to get back to where she first started out.
Distilled to its barest bones like this, her history reads as convoluted and bizarre. It is undeniably both of things. But through it all there's one thing that remains constant: Carol is a fighter. No matter how many times you knock her down, no matter what strange new sexualized violence she's subjected to, no matter how her life gets wrecked, she picks herself back up, spits in the face of those who wronged her, and finds a new way to live. On her own terms.
As it stands, she's a powerhouse with the innate potential to be even more powerful. She's an experienced fighter, with or without powers, and a skilled tactician who's absolutely willing to fight dirty. She is by turns bitter and hopeful, and above all, driven. She's not a peacemaker, a detective, or a reluctant hero. She's a missile in human form, and she will fuck you up.
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D'awwwww, now Carol sounds awesome! Now I really want to get into her! Just to make sure, would you recommend the current series trades, though? Or something else? What I've read by Reed hasn't been promising so far (which, admittedly, was only his YAP one-shot).
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In July....
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Cheers for this
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Carol is a fighter. No matter how many times you knock her down, no matter what strange new sexualized violence she's subjected to, no matter how her life gets wrecked, she picks herself back up, spits in the face of those who wronged her, and finds a new way to live. On her own terms.
Carol reminds me a little of Tony in some ways, not in personality at all, but in the way that both of them get knocked down and have their lives destroyed repeatedly and always manage to pull themselves back together and keep on going, frequently without help from anyone else (though to be fair, with the drinking they were both offered help and rejected it).
She's not a peacemaker, a detective, or a reluctant hero. She's a missile in human form, and she will fuck you up.
And that's one of the things I like about her -- I love Jan, but Jan gets cast in the mediator role an awful lot. Carol is a powerhouse/fighter in a way that's usually the province of male characters (I didn't realize until after I got into Avengers that a lot of the things I like about Rogue are essentially carry-overs from Carol). I think she and Power Girl would get along really well.
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It's kind of weird/sad to think about. Until I got my driver's license I was never allowed to go into my local comic shop alone, even though it was a respectable place with nice guys behind the counter, etc. Then I stepped back a bit and realized from an outsider's (and parent's) perspective, the Lady Death and Ninja Thong Psylcoke posters in the window and the Emma Frost in corset and panties statuettes on the counter made the store look like an inappropriate place for a teenage girl. I wonder how many people never went into that store because they were put off by the industry's imagery.
I'm not fond of boob windows on anyone, really. I'm kinda frustrated that in the Rule 63 side of the Watchmen fandom it's fanon now that "Danielle Dreiberg's" costume has a boob window, when it's otherwise exactly the same as Nite Owl's canon costume.
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