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schmevil ([personal profile] schmevil) wrote2011-02-24 01:55 pm

about Pern...

I've read most of the books, excepting the latest. They were a mainstay of my childhood. It's weird though, how much I loathe most the characters these days. Like, Gazoo spare me from Menolly, Sebell and friends. Spare me too from all the rebellious women who just freaking fell in line.

Pern stories I'd be interested in:

- F'lar and Lessa's planned transition to post-thread Weyrs. How do the Weyrs fit into the Pernese economy when the justification for tithing is actually gone?

- Mirrim as reluctant mentor to a new generation of women dragonriders. Fights between gold and greenriders over propriety, the role of women in the Weyr, leadership and sexuality.

- Further technological development. The feudal order very neatly contained technological development so as to minimize social disruptions. What happens when it gets beyond their ability to control? Like, how do they deal with truly mass production, cheap mass communication etc.?

- The spread of holdless populations in a post-Thread world. Settlements are very quickly going to crop up in areas that were previously uninhabited, or low traffic. No thread + techonological revolution = a population unlike any Pern has before? How do Holders maintain their grip on power? Or not.

- Armed conflict. The first trilogy dealt with armed conflict plenty, but its something that fell by the wayside in later books. It's as though Holders no longer maintained security forces with thread around... so again, what happens post Thread? There are plenty of ambitious Holders and would be Holders. The Weyrs (and thread) were key to maintaining peace. Will they still be interested in being the threat that keeps Holders in line?


And... other stuff. Why can't Pern stories be more to my taste? *whiiiiines*
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[personal profile] melannen 2011-02-24 09:36 pm (UTC)(link)
The way things were going when I stopped reading, I could only see a future for Pern where within a few decades the dragon population had exploded and a huge proportion of the population were dragonriders, with dragons integrated into all sorts of crafts and trades and the separation between Weyr and Hold completely gone. Which I think dovetails a bit with some of your ideas.

(Why is everybody suddenly talking about Pern? You aren't on the Dresden meme, are you? Anyway, yes, just last night I randomly sat down and wrote out a list of a) things I still like about Pern and b) things I hate about Pern, and at the top of list b) were "everything related to Pern that has been published since 'Renegades'" and "all of the characters, except maybe some of the fire lizards.")
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[personal profile] melannen 2011-02-24 10:42 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm not sure I like the idea either! But... with the dragons apparently still breeding at Pass rates even after Thread stopped falling, and no Thread to up the mortality rates, + sudden abundance of food and prey and better medical technology? And the possibility of greens starting to breed, with fire-breathing no longer vital against Thread and a green-rider Weyrlady? Not to mention that it was already starting to be apparent in Dolphins and Skies. I suspect there's either going to be a population explosion or a major push for dragon birth control.

They would have to get integrated into the crafts and trades, yeah. But they would have to anyway, wouldn't they, without Thread as a purpose? I visualize a post-9th pass Pern as looking a lot more like Dinotopia, or Temeraire's China (if you've read either of those books) - Dragons doing everything from basic transport and manual labor and soldiering to fine craft work to art and design. (I've always loved the idea of a dragon glassblower, myself.)
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[personal profile] ouri 2011-02-25 09:21 pm (UTC)(link)
I thought it was canon that chewing firestone was what made greens sterile - but do have to admit that I don't retain as much from Dragonsdawn or the more recent books.

(And yes, strong-willed women turning to Kleenex once they find a manly-man to dominate them has long been something that ticked me off about McCaffrey-crafted worlds.)
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[personal profile] ouri 2011-02-28 02:04 pm (UTC)(link)
Well, much as I love the world she created - this is also the woman who created wonderful telepathic dragons, and then claimed that they chose their riders by determining their sexual preferences by sniffing genetic factors in their sweat. (um... wait, WHAT?)

Personally, I think she was doing great until she started trying to explain everything "scientifically." :(