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Avengers AU brainstorm
A scenario for all you Marvel fangirls and boys. Civil War is drawing to a close. Cap surrenders and is taken into custody, as in canon, but when it comes time for Cap to be killed, an agent notices something is up, and sounds the alarm in time for Cap and the others to get out of the way. Cap lives to stand trial and acquits himself well, but is still convicted. Everyone wants to interview him of course, and unlike in CW, he talks the American people about his ideals, about the immoral aspects of the SHRA and how it has been enforced, and he proposes a new strategy of non-violent resistance. He becomes a symbol for a growing movement to roll back the SHRA.
At the same time, the pro-reg side, realizing they're facing a new kind of threat, one they can't punch into silence, start to (publicly at least) clean up their act. They solidify their power, stitch up the holes in the act, make some showy, public moves to demonstrate their leniency. In this scenario the US government has enough time between crises to make some more permanent appointments, and the Initiative gets a little more bureacratized, and comes under much more public scrutiny. People get used to it, but they also get used to criticizing it.
Then WWH comes along and plays out in much the same way, except that the Initiative manages to co-ordinate a more effective response. Hulk and friends still manage to pwn Earth. Tony still offers amnesty to all non-registered heroes who help out. Afterwards, the Illuminati are censured, but Tony and Reed remain popular, faces of the new and effective partnership between government and superheroes. Some heroes take Tony's offer. In this scenario, the excesses of Registration have been restrained, and it seems to kind of be working. And in Cap, dissenters have an alternative to the New Avengers style of resistance.
So who switches sides? Who registers? Who goes to Cap?
At the same time, the pro-reg side, realizing they're facing a new kind of threat, one they can't punch into silence, start to (publicly at least) clean up their act. They solidify their power, stitch up the holes in the act, make some showy, public moves to demonstrate their leniency. In this scenario the US government has enough time between crises to make some more permanent appointments, and the Initiative gets a little more bureacratized, and comes under much more public scrutiny. People get used to it, but they also get used to criticizing it.
Then WWH comes along and plays out in much the same way, except that the Initiative manages to co-ordinate a more effective response. Hulk and friends still manage to pwn Earth. Tony still offers amnesty to all non-registered heroes who help out. Afterwards, the Illuminati are censured, but Tony and Reed remain popular, faces of the new and effective partnership between government and superheroes. Some heroes take Tony's offer. In this scenario, the excesses of Registration have been restrained, and it seems to kind of be working. And in Cap, dissenters have an alternative to the New Avengers style of resistance.
So who switches sides? Who registers? Who goes to Cap?
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There used to be a drabble one. I think it died. I was thinking of like an Avengers and Avengers-related type comm, vaguely modeled on
I'd love an exchange challenge, personally. I missed having one at the holidays. And I would read Ms. Marvel fic! Despite not knowing her that well. :)
Writing the big stories that build a fandom, running challenges - it's all so time-consuming. I wish someone would just step up and do it for us.
Hear, hear.
Oh, and the challenge I bailed due to circumstances beyond my control on was
Will likely post fic about cute Entourage boys in a couple days. :)
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"avengers_assemble" appears to be free. An umbrella comm for the team that welcomes fanworks and discussion would definitely work - everyone and their dog has been in the Avengers, so we'd be casting a wide net, in terms of potential members. And everyone in Marvel fandom has a handful of favourite Avengers. I'd be willing to help run it, if I could convince others to pitch in.
I'd love an exchange challenge, personally.
I love exchanges. I actually prefer them to writer's choice, prompt-based ficathons. There's something about knowing you're writing for someone that makes it both more challenging, and more satisfying. At least for me. I thought about doing
Will likely post fic about cute Entourage boys in a couple days. :)
Looking forward to it.
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avengers_assemble would be a great name! I would be willing to help run it too. But it sounds like, between the two of us, we would actually need a mod who reads comics on Wednesdays, no? Otherwise discussion Wednesdays would have no one to guide them :(
But the fandom totally needs a comm like that. I don't really hang out with enough Marvel-ites to think who a third mod could be, though.
I prefer exchanges too. Prompt-based challenges are, sadly, so much easier for me to bail on. With exchanges I know how much work that is for the mod, and how much it would suck for me to be blacklisted.
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I'm not sure who to ask either. An alternative to a third mod, if we can't find a good prospect to start, is recruiting a bunch of fans, each of whom would be 'in charge' of a specific book. So if I was the Ms. Marvel poster, I'd have to start a Ms. Marvel thread, with a recap, scans or commentary, by the end of the week in which it was released. I wouldn't be responsible for modding, but I should be around to guide the discussion.
I was thinking a spotlight feature would be good. We could get people to sign up for writing a spotlight on their favourite Avenger, Avenger-related organization or whatever. That way we could bring attention to some of the lesser known characters, and the potential membership of the comm should be larger for it.
I prefer exchanges too. Prompt-based challenges are, sadly, so much easier for me to bail on.
Yeah, this.
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is recruiting a bunch of fans, each of whom would be 'in charge' of a specific book
That's neat! And only a once a month commitment. Assuming we can get people to stick to it. (I claim Immortal Iron Fist! Heh.) The spotlight thing sounds neat too, people could do 'ship manifestos and themed recs and stuff like that too, we could have specific times set aside.
So. Should we do it? Once we pick a name?
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I'm calling Ms. Marvel, though you probably expected that. I don't think it will be hard to find people to sign up for New, Mighty and Dark Avengers. Maybe
For primary books we should look for someone to commit to:
Captain America
Hulk
Incredible Hercules
Ultimates (when it's actively being published)
Black Panther
Avengers Initiative
Invinvcible Iron Man
Thor
War Machine
Marvel Adventures: the Avengers
Wolverine
Daredevil
After that there's:
Avengers Fairytales
Avengers/Invaders
Ultimatum
Amazing Spider-Man Family
Wolverine Origins
Savage She-Hulk (upcoming replacement for She-Hulk)
and all the minis
That... looks like a lot but I don't think it will be in practice.
The spotlight thing sounds neat too, people could do 'ship manifestos and themed recs and stuff like that too, we could have specific times set aside.
Mmmm yes. Manifestos are great community anchors. I find myself going back to the ones on Ship Manifesto even years later.
The advantage of a spotlight feature is that we'll have regular fan essays and meta, which will encourage deep discussion. <3
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Avengers/Invaders is limited edition, there's only four issues left to go IIRC. We could do a wrap-up after ish #12 maybe (I can lead it, I read that), but I don't know that it's worth it to find a full-time...whatever we're going to call them. Person.
There's a couple more that I can take if no one wants them and we're stuck, also.
I hear news of a new Young Avengers mini. Would we be including the YA generally?
Wolverine. I think that list is missing more Wolverine books, like there's Wolverine: First Class, right? And something else I'm blanking on? Keeping up with Logan could be a full time job. I wonder if there' a way to amalgamate so that one person can do it.
What about MA: Iron Man? Or is that done?
Otherwise, looks good. Regular fan essays sound awesome. And some sort of fic challenge type thing once everything is running smoothly. I think, given the controversial nature of some of these titles, we need some kind of anti-bashing rule (or not *need*, but I personally would feel more comfortable, especially since I usually like the things that are getting bashed. Probably other people would too.) To be stridently worded and evenly applied.
Thoughts on that?
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I'm wondering if we should make provisions for switching out our Reviewers (?) after a period of time, to make room for fresh faces. Give them a term of several months, after which someone else can take over, if there's someone who wants to. Otherwise they can continue for another term? I realize I'm making longterm plans for a comm that doesn't exist yet, but hey, it doesn't hurt to be prepared, right? ;)
An anti-bashing rule is a must. I know a number of Iron Man and Hank Pym fans left
Along with the standard rules I'd like a "no soliciting illegal downloads, or posting links on the comm" rule. Eljay will delete comms if copyright owners request it. So no more than half a comic can be posted, including previews, at any time in the comm. Not even under flock, because people do inform. Comics fandom is reeeeally small.
What's our spoiler policy?
And are we settled on Avengers HQ, or is there an awesome name we haven't thought of yet? ;)
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Makes sense. Regular rotations? With the amount of time any one person gets, to be a function of how many people signed up for that topic? Reviewers is fine, or hmmn. I wonder if there's a word that more implies leader of conversation.
I know a number of Iron Man and Hank Pym fans left
*cough* And Brian Michael Bendis fans? Yeah. I heard that happened...
Anyway, that draft of the anti-bashing rule looks good.
An anti-piracy rule is fine with me. So is the Avenger HQ name. :)
What's our spoiler policy?
Warnings for everything no matter how old seems reasonable to me, just b/c in this fandom you never know who gets around to reading what when. But it maybe prove impractical to police? What do you think?
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Regular rotations? With the amount of time any one person gets, to be a function of how many people signed up for that topic?
Sounds good.
Warnings for everything no matter how old seems reasonable to me, just b/c in this fandom you never know who gets around to reading what when. But it maybe prove impractical to police?
That might be hard to police but it's probably the best way to go. I would say... no spoilers for recent comics can be before the cut, and you must warn for spoilers in all posts, whether essays, fic, vids or scans. Kind of a two tier spoiler policy, where new information from newer comics is considered *more* spoilery, but *everything* is potentially spoilery. That way, if a poster inadvertently spoilers others for say, Secret Wars, we don't have to come down with the mod hammer, but just remind them to warn. Makes the comm a bit more flexible.
What other rules should we discuss...?
No uncut, embedded vids or large images. What's a good size?
Obviously we'll want a standard posting format for fic, essays, scans, icons, graphics...
TITLE
AUTHOR
BOOK
SPOILERS
DISCLAIMER
RATING (work safe/not work safe for essays and scans, maybe MPAA for fic because it's commonly used?)
SIZE (word count, pixels, number of images)
Also, we need an awesome layout. :)
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I think I thought of moderator but that would be *our* title, right? I don't want to confuse who has what power. Lead or captain, perhaps.
That spoiler thing sounds good.
More than one image goes behind a cut? What is it at s_d, more than six panels or something? Or do you mean file size? *has high speed and is not a good judge of what constitutes a large file*
I think that's all the obvious things? I hope? People will no doubt come up with random things to stump us.
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I find that generally, the more stuff that gets cut, the happier the comm is, because it's easier for people to skip stuff they aren't interested in.
Maybe lead? Captain sounds like we're trying to be cutesy.
We do need an awesome layout. :) Know anyone we can cajole/con/bribe? I can ask about.
My two closest graphics-y friends are writing school stuff right now (a dissertation and a book), so I don't want to bother them.
How do we want to launch this? The layout and rules should be up before we announce the comm, but should we recruit volunteers before or after? Maybe an announce with an intro post and some promotion in other comms and newsletters, then follow that up with a call for volunteers?
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What we have so far.
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That sounds reasonable, about the un-cut picture rule.
I realise I'm not clear what we decided about Spiderman and Wolverine leads? Or should we attempt to just get one for each book and not treat them differently at all?
I think, once we're ready, a call for volunteers explaining what the plan is and books we need coverage for, deadlines, etc. Like a list and we can mark the volunteers names beside the titles. What about extra-topic posts? Should we put up a call for writers of those then or later? We could probably do those in waves, like have set months and make schedules based on who signs up.
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What about extra-topic posts?
We should try to get those scheduled way in advance, in case someone needs to bow out. 1-2 months? So we could push to line up the first two at least, but go further if people want to sign up that far ahead.
What else is left... the blurb, a links list. Anything else?
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