scans_daily suspended

[schmevil]

For all members of scans_daily: the community has been suspended for posting copyrighted material without the permission of copyright holders, which is against LiveJournal's ToS. Before you ask:

1) At this time we don't know who made the complaint. But guys, we don't want this to turn into a witch hunt.

2) No, we don't have backups, but we're looking into recovering our entries. ETA: pandanoai made a backup early this month. You'll need this to view it. acroamatica has it mirrored here.

3) rabican set up a backup comm on insanejournal some time ago. If you're in dire need of scans, go here for now. ETA: A while ago, sir_razorback set up a message board for the comm here. comics_scans is another scan comm on eljay. Their rules and culture are a bit different from ours. If you join, be sure to read the userinfo before posting. stubbleupdate has set up noscans_daily. Please join, so we can keep our community together.

4) No, this will not be the end of us. Vive les scans!

5) ETA: Since people are asking about eljay's stance on fair use, from the TOS:

LiveJournal and its designates shall have the right, but not the obligation, to remove any content that violates the TOS or is otherwise objectionable, or that infringes or is alleged to infringe intellectual property rights. You agree that you must evaluate, and bear all risks associated with, the use of any content, including any reliance on the accuracy, completeness, or usefulness of such content. Furthermore, LiveJournal reserves the right to limit access to your journal, if found in violation of the TOS, including without limitation the Member Conduct described below, by removing the journal and related user information from the member directory, search engine, and all other methods used in conjunction with finding LiveJournal's users.

and

[members agree not to] Upload, post or otherwise transmit any Content that infringes any patent, trademark, trade secret, copyright, or other proprietary rights of any party



ETA: Guys, do me a favour and link to this post in your personal journals/blogs/whatever. I don't want people to get misinformation. I'm monitoring the comments and will be around to answer questions.

ETA: Update post here.



The mod team is looking at our options; check this space for updates.

Comments

[davidkevin.livejournal.com]

The massive tool was whoever was posting scans of entire stories or issues in violation of scans_daily's own rules, and drew this fire as a result.

Peter David has the legal and ethical right (in fact, as the law is written, the responsibility) to protect his copyright. Calling him names is inappropriate.

[buttler.livejournal.com]

The thing is, that didn't happen. A few pages were posted as usual, nowhere near scans-daily's posting limit. The rest was just the (thoroughly inaccurate) ranting of a massive tool who got pissed off because people were talking smack about him on the internet.

[davidkevin.livejournal.com]

Was the entry with the scans open for anyone to see, or Friend-locked to keep it within the community? If the latter he would have to go on what someone else reported as to the size of the scan, who could have her- or himself made an honest mistake, or who could be playing "let's you and him fight".

[buttler.livejournal.com]

Nah, he came in, saw the entry, which had like 4 pages, and had a flamewar with a scans_daily member who was pissed off at his treatment of a favorite character and had expressed it in pretty harsh terms. Then he went and reported to Marvel that people were posting scans.

There was no distinction made of whether it was fair use or not; he just got pissed that people were bad-mouthing him and went out of his way to retaliate through official channels.

[drsevarius.livejournal.com]

It was more than four pages. And the important stuff of the ish, such as Jamie's convo with the priest or the return of that major character, was posted.

Though yeah, maybe he would have acted differently if people weren't calling him a hack who should die in a fire.

[zombiesmut.livejournal.com]

Though yeah, maybe he would have acted differently if people weren't calling him a hack who should die in a fire.

Sad, how some people just can't handle the truth.

[drsevarius.livejournal.com]

If you treat people rudely, you shouldn't be shocked when they treat you the same way.

[syringavulgaris.livejournal.com]

What I don't understand is, the man has been on Usenet for over ten years. He was forever on rec.arts.comics, back when it was rec.arts.comics. Harsh flamage is not a new fricking concept to him; I know this because I witnessed it in my salad days. No, it's never fun, but why his reaction is suddenly OMG SO MEEEEEEAN, this I do not get.

[cestlavenus.livejournal.com]

Um, if we're talking about the issue of X-Factor most recently posted, the entire issue WAS NOT posted. It was within scans_daily's limits of how much could be posted, if not the mods would have taken care of it.

In fact, I wouldn't have bought that issue if it wasn't for that post. Now I'm sorry I did. PAD doesn't deserve my money.

For the record, I fully believe that I have every right to be pissed at him because:

A - As I said, the entire issue was NOT posted

and

B - All PAD had to do was write the mods and ask that his work not be allowed on scans_daily. Obviously they would have complied rather than have him act like a total diva prick and get the whole community killed. The scans_daily mods have always been EXTREMELY respectful to the wishes of the creators.

And FYI, having the legal and ethical right? Does not make him less of a dick. If he had been willing to talk to us instead of throwing a tantrum things could have worked out for everyone. Now we're without a community and PAD, I'd imagine, is going to lose a lot of fans (and hopefully business).

[blackironcrown.livejournal.com]

And FYI, having the legal and ethical right?

Indeed, screw the law! He should have connived with the pirates instead, seeking their lordly permission to have it removed.

...
Ok, reality time. I can understand being pissed. However, did you really think that scans_daily was going to get away with posting copyrighted material forever? Some artist/author was bound to see their work on there eventually. Do you think they would take any other action other than a legitimate one?

[neotoma.livejournal.com]

If it was a Marvel book, Peter David does not own the copyright -- his work on those books is work-for-hire.

And his behavior ensures that I will not pick up the X-factor trades that several people recommended to me (and that I checked via scans_daily to see if they were indeed to my taste).

Instead, he joins Frank Miller in the "will not buy anything with his name on it, including movies, tv episodes, and books, ever again, and will in fact tell people at length why they should avoid his work" bin. So... I hope he's pleased with himself, because he's made at least one rabid anti-fan today.

[airings.livejournal.com]

The massive tool was whoever was posting scans of entire stories or issues in violation of [info]scans_daily's own rules, and drew this fire as a result.

Massive tool speaking. I uploaded half of the pages, in compliance with the community's rules.

[blackironcrown.livejournal.com]

Question: Were they also in compliance with copyright law?

[airings.livejournal.com]

Probably not. That's what a lot of people are arguing about now at the CBR forums etc.