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schmevil ([personal profile] schmevil) wrote2008-04-16 05:41 pm
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Last post I complained about Dan Slott bringing his issues to his portrayal of Jen's sexuality, but otherwise, his run is pretty much awesome. For [livejournal.com profile] crimsonquills and [livejournal.com profile] tammylee: nine pages of She-Hulk hilarity.

And from the first issue of his run, one page for the Steve/Tony shippers.

[identity profile] schmevil.livejournal.com 2008-06-09 04:09 pm (UTC)(link)
I totally forgot about the She-Hulk thing. Did you buy the second trade?

[identity profile] crimsonquills.livejournal.com 2008-06-10 07:34 pm (UTC)(link)
I did! And I liked it a lot, too. But I decided to stop there. I'm told that Dan Slott did some bad things to Tony during the Civil War and I just...don't want to get anywhere near there. Not for a while, if ever. The third trade might still be safe, but I know that the fourth isn't and I don't want to take chances.

[identity profile] schmevil.livejournal.com 2008-06-11 12:34 am (UTC)(link)
Hmm. It's good right up until Tony injects her with power-suppressing nanites and then leaves her by the side of the road. In ripped clothes. Shades of sexual violence? No! I can accept everything else that Tony did during Civil War, as being organic, if nasty outgrowths of his character, but that's the sticking point for me.

I'm still not over it. It's just so... disgusting. I mean, I can't believe it even got past editorial, considering Tony was never supposed to be an outright villain. If that's not outright villainous behavior, I don't know what is.

It also makes me sad because Tony/Jen is a cute relationship. They respected each other's brilliance and competence. They flirted, and even had a one-night stand without angst or self-recrimination. It was nice. Light. Friendly. And then WHAM - borderline date rape implications.

I sincerely hope that PAD can handwave the whole thing somehow, in a way that allows me to let go of it.

Anyway, it's only a few issues that you need to avoid. Even though Jen's been majorly pissed at Tony since CW, I've found it readable from the pov of a Tony fan. But jeeze, it's hard when your fan-things are fighting. ;)

[identity profile] crimsonquills.livejournal.com 2008-06-21 06:46 pm (UTC)(link)
Hmm. It's good right up until Tony injects her with power-suppressing nanites and then leaves her by the side of the road. In ripped clothes. Shades of sexual violence?

Yeah, I've read other posts of yours on this subject. :-( Most of Civil War's treatment of Tony I can rationalize, one way or another, but there are a couple things like this that are just so wildly OOC that it breaks my brain. And makes me unhappy, because other fans seize upon them and then try to bash me over the head with how awful my favorite character is.

If that's not outright villainous behavior, I don't know what is.

Exactly. *sighs* And while I'm (mostly) willing to ignore it as a "writers on crack" moment, the fact that it gives the Tony haters ammunition drives me crazy.

It also makes me sad because Tony/Jen is a cute relationship.

I never saw much of this, even in Avengers, but I can see how they would be fun together. Tony would appreciate a smart, powerful, playful woman. *g*

I sincerely hope that PAD can handwave the whole thing somehow, in a way that allows me to let go of it.

He seems willing to do it, from what I've heard. Now if only he's given some sort of opportunity.

But jeeze, it's hard when your fan-things are fighting. ;)

*laughs* So true. It's a whole new kind of awkwardness for me. *g*